Sunday Tea E-Mails...A Harris Blog
Subject: Tea Report 3/27/05
Michael's Original Report
We did not have a tea for some weeks, as VH had various commitments precluding her from carrying on her duties over the past fortnight plus. However, today she made up for it in spades. There was a rather full turn-out including David and Sonny, Linda and Harry, Ben Lilli and Mason, Scott and Anita, Brooke, and Jeanne and MH. There was also a full complement of canine family members as well including Kodi, Lizzie. Mona, Gracie and in spirit a stray Chocolate Lab who Anita found and who Scott is not too sure will fit into his lifestyle. The conversations included the DH high tech filing of his taxes on-line, and David and Scott in a real heartwarming father and son close up and personal discussion of guns, calibers and whether they shoot flat or on a trajectory. We also covered the family history of Albert Brooks (whose film is being edited by Anita) and just a bit on the units that Ben has just purchased. He is generously sharing his broker with Scott, I think. A beautiful tea time. Have a good week and ask yourself how many Easter bonnets did you see this Sunday.MH
Supplement to the tea report: I forgot to mention we also discussed the morality of giving a false address to qualify for the Santa Monica School District and how stretching the truth would potentially damage the ethical underpinnings of my grand child should deception be the choice over the cost of private school. I come down definitely in favor of honesty and integrity at all times, so don't teach the little guy that there are ethical short-cuts in life. Take that Bill Clinton. MH
Peter Arztz
I am there in spirit as it always brings
me flash back of my Mom and Dad and
I and my brother ed - at your house in cheviott hills for tea with the
Harris family, and they were great memories in deed- rebel and radar the
dalmatians david the older brother and jeff the peskie little brother but
bright and britishie and your father with suck a warm yet dry wit and your
Mom who is a woman worth knowing in this life of ours as well as my Dad and
Mom who were equally quality and special people- so your email today brings
back all that goodness and substance of our very beings-- the fact that it
lives on and builds through your family over many decades is a testament to
your Mom and her spirit and understanding of family and its importance
unequalled by anything else in the human experience- well done for
continuing the tradition- and many thanks for including me- I wish my kids
and my brother could have been enjoying this happening over the years-but
in its stead I am sending them a copy of your larest so they should know
that it exists and that a piece of the Artzt legacy is in there somewhere-
Love to all of your family and my best thoughts each time you meet on
behalf of the extended family- the Artzts- love Pete
Lilli
I agree- but are you also in favor of
sporting the
funds to send your grandchild to private school if he
doesn't switch into the public one honestly?
LL
Linda
Does that mean you are going to pay for private school or that you favor public schools?
Sonny
Honesty and integrity are great and wanting the best for your child is also important. We were very lucky when we heard via Linda that Franklin needed more 5th graders and were able to get Andrew 'legally' accepted. Overland avenue school is a good elementry school with lots of parental support and many good extracuricular programs paid for by money raised by the parents. Andrew and Stephanie had a good start at Overland. I am so grateful that thay didn't have to go to Palms. I pass the school all the time and many of the children are in gang attire. No kid should have to go to school in that enviroment. I would do everything I could to send my child to a good school in a good district. If you can't afford a good (not all of them are good) private school, there are many scholerships available. Barry and Vicki are sending their boys to a good school to insure that they will have a good start. Yes, it is very expensive but they feel that it is worth it. Small classes and individual attention. Sydney already goes to a baby rythem class at Temple Israel. Sonny
Lilli
Well, I know that our local school is truly the pits
which is indeed unfortunate because I'd like nothing
more than to be able to walk him to school in the
mornings and have him get a great education in our
neighborhood. I also prefer to send him to public
schools over private because I hate the idea of him
being in a homogenous environment. So, either we move
to a lesser house in a better district, try to
petition to switch schools, use a santa monica address
and teach him to be untruthful or hope the local
school really improves in 4 years-- none of these
options are that feasible but at least we have 4 years
to make sure he gets a good start.
Greg
It's not the school. It's the parents. I'm sure your local school is fine.
Stacy
We have a max of 20.1 students in K, 1 and 2-- that means that you might have 21 on your roll for a short portion of the year. We have 1 teacher per class and a 10-hour aide per week, plus many specialists, as well. We are a public school. Our aides, art, music and health teachers are paid for with PTA funds. I do believe that parent involvement makes a huge difference-- hands-on in the classroom by volunteering, by donating supplies or money, by getting community support. You don't have to write off a "bad school" unless you feel that your child would be physically unsafe. Test scores don't tell you what a school is really like. Get involved BEFORE your child starts at a school, look into making it a charter school, expanding community/parent involvement.
Lilli
test scores aren't the only criteria for establishing
whether or not a school is a good one but do you think
they should matter at all? I mean if a school has
performed poorly on these tests and hasn't shown any
improvement over the last five years, do you think
that should be a factor in deciding about sending him
to a particular school?
I always thought those tests were pretty lame- I
remember taking those same tests year after year and
by 6th grade, they were just a joke.
I'm sure parental involvement is important and getting
involved before he starts there is a good idea I
hadn't considered. Selfeshly, though, I don't know if
I want him to be a guinea pig in a 'let's try it and
see' kind of situation.
I also felt inspired by many of my classmates when I
was in elementary school. I wanted to be as good as
the kids I admired and I was so proud when I actually
was. I think that's very imporant in picking a school.
I want him to be surrounded by smart kids.
who knows- I don't pretend I know any more than what I
read or hear about from other parents in my
neighborhood. and this could all change when he's
actually old enough to start!
Stacy
I really don't think test scores tell you much at all. They don't tell you whether or not kids love school, are eager readers, creative writers and thinkers. They are very cut and dried and it's very tempting for schools to spend a lot of time and energy "teaching to the test" b/c there is so much pressure to improve scores every year. I do think student achievement is important, but I'd rather see it measured by how my kids are reading and writing, the real projects they are doing in class, how they extend their learning at home, their excitement about learning.
I don't know anything about your neighborhood school, but maybe you could attend Kindergarten roundup just to check it out.
We all have to do what we think is best for our kids. No decision will be wrong for Mason, but also remember that kids are in school for just 6 hours a day and their parents have much more time to be with them, sharing knowledge, reading together, etc.
Good luck with this big project!
Greg
Hopefully Mason will have a learning disability. Not sure what the criteria is but there are a few kids in the boys' school that have their own private aid that follows them around. Now that's learning!
I think this is funny. Here's my read on the logic....
1. If you live in Santa Monica and thus pay more property tax then you create smarter students. Maybe the smart ones are the ones living outside of the city limits.
2. While class size is mandated by the state, it's possible that the quality of teaching in one district might not be as good as another district. With no offense intended toward people I'm related to, and all things being equal, I'll take the young (less expensive) teacher with a ton of energy who is not burnt out on the profession, over the seasoned (more expensive) veteran.
3. Last but not least, when I last I checked, little Mason wasn't even speaking yet, can't recite the alphabet and doesn't even know what 2 plus 2 is. I'm not sure he's proven himself worthy of Santa Monica schools yet! In my experience, test scores are driven by a few things...
A. Smarter kids get higher test scores
B. Whiter kids get higher test scores
C. Teachers that teach the test get higher test scores
I'm not sure that a test score is best measure of the success of the teaching program. Find a program that encourages parents to be in the classroom and that's likely to be the best indicator of a school that is worthy of Mason's lineage. In the meantime, tell MH to start funding a 529 plan for Mason...it's a good tax dodge for MH and a great program for ML.
Lilli
... or higher housing prices equals wealthier people
which equals higher values placed on education? or
more money may equal more nannies which doesn't equal
more parental involvement.
I don't know any logic that makes real sense other
than Mason is indeed too young to worry about any of
this now.
he also may not know how to speak yet but a lady at
fromin's yesterday said she could tell he was 'very
smart.' not to mention exceptionally handsome, but I
digress.
Vic
O.K. now that my mother has taken it upon herself to talk about our educational choice for our kids & family, let me tell you all the real situation.
Barry & I debate the private school verses public all the time. We live very close but not in the district to one of the best LAUSD elementary school. We even have a friend's address that we could use if we wanted to LIE to get them in. I'm not going to go into what is better or worse, private or public. Because we are really happy with our private school & really feel it's the best place for our kids. What I am going to say is that with the raising costs of private schools our kids are probably going to wind up in public school sooner or later. Most private Jr highs are currently between $18,000 - $22,000 a year & that is before all the extras. By the time Sydney is ready for kindergarten, we figure we will be spending close to $100,000 a year to keep all 3 of our kids in private school.
The original conversation was, should you lie to get into a better public school. NO. It's to risky and there are plenty of other choices through LAUSD, magnet schools, charter schools, permits, ect... You don't want your child to be in fear of being caught & kicked out of a place he feels happy & comfortable in. We apply every year for the magnet program. I personally think that is the best bet with LAUSD of a good education all the way through 12 grade.
Scott
Please Anita Brandt Burgoyne to your email address lists: abeebee1@earthlink.net. She has had her kids in private school for the entire run. I am sure that her observations are interesting.
My thoughts:
- Do not cheat to get in. We set examples for our children.
- Private schools are not a gaurantee of quality. Or even a "safe" environment. They are only as good as the folks who run them and the families that support them.
- Public schools are only as good as the folks who run them and the families that support them.
- Going back to setting examples, your child will put as much effort into school as you do. Be involved with the kid, the class and the school.
- I believe in strong public schools as a good infrastructure investment.
- For better or worse, there is a set of lfie experiences that can only begained from a public school education.
Brooke
Since ninty percent of my students end up going to private schools I have looked at most of the local ones. They do come across as very impressive. I have also looked at some very terrific public schools! The truth is, smart children will do well in any environment, but private schools from what I've seen are just more consistant and they have to be with that 20,000 price tag hanging off of it.
March 29, 2005